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=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1F79E.1AFE9AA7-- From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Thu May 16 22:13:25 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:13:25 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] DCRM(S) Area 4 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020516170837.02e2b998@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> I am resending this to the list. We are a little behind our schedule, but will finish before ALA. For the next week we are discussing area 4, Publication, Distribution, etc. The rules for Roman numerals, Non-Christian-era dates, Roman-style dates, chronograms, years other than Gregorian or Julian are much simplified from DCRB. We will follow what will eventually be in DCRB. Please comment. Jane and Juliet ---------------------------------------------------------------- Juliet McLaren Project Head, Early Serials English Short-Title Catalogue Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research University of California - Riverside e-mail: juliet@citrus.ucr.edu FAX: (909) 787-4120 Tel: (909) 787-5841 Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger| Sterling Memorial Library Yale University | New Haven CT 06520 (203)432-8383 (voice) | (203)432-7231 (fax) | jane.gillis@yale.edu From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Thu May 16 22:14:56 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:14:56 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] Fwd: area 4 - dcrm(s) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020516171420.00b1ef48@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> I am forwarding Annie Copeland's message. Jane >Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:44:49 -0400 >From: Ann Copeland >Subject: area 4 - dcrm(s) >X-Sender: auc1@psulias.psu.edu >To: Jane Gillis >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 > >Having trouble posting to the list. Here are my comments. > > >A couple of questions about section 4. Thanks, Annie > >1) >4B5. Fictitious... >is followed by 260 $a >It looks like there is an example missing? > >2) >4C5 >Rules says when omitting numerous places, "use the mark of omission and >add after it in square brackets a phrase...:" >Example provided: >260 $a Dublin [and 6 provincial towns] >needs marks of omission. > >3) >4D2 states that when omitting "insignificant information" , indicate with >marks of omission. None of the examples have marks. >Also, do you see any contradiction with 4B3 where the rule states to omit >elements "not connected to the imprint by grammar.." without using marks >of omission? Information not connected to the imprint could be the same as >"insignificant information", could it not? >In 4C2 of DCRB, p. 31, the two (insignificant information and addresses >and qualifications) are treated in the same rule saying all omissions >should be indicated with marks. > >4) >4D8 - close bracket? (example is taken from CCM, where there is no closed >brackets, but I don't really understand why. We close [s.n.]): >260 $a[Dublin, Ireland :$bPrinted by Walter Cox, > From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Wed May 22 16:29:19 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:29:19 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] Re: area 4 - dcrm(s) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020522112910.00a6cea8@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> Many thanks for the comments. --Jane At 03:44 PM 5/6/2002 -0400, Ann Copeland wrote: >Having trouble posting to the list. Here are my comments. > > >A couple of questions about section 4. Thanks, Annie > >1) >4B5. Fictitious... >is followed by 260 $a >It looks like there is an example missing? This is very rare with serials and we just have not come up with an example. We might end up using either a made up example or the DCRB one. >2) >4C5 >Rules says when omitting numerous places, "use the mark of omission and >add after it in square brackets a phrase...:" >Example provided: >260 $a Dublin [and 6 provincial towns] >needs marks of omission. I have put in the marks of omission. >3) >4D2 states that when omitting "insignificant information" , indicate with >marks of omission. None of the examples have marks. >Also, do you see any contradiction with 4B3 where the rule states to omit >elements "not connected to the imprint by grammar.." without using marks >of omission? Information not connected to the imprint could be the same as >"insignificant information", could it not? >In 4C2 of DCRB, p. 31, the two (insignificant information and addresses >and qualifications) are treated in the same rule saying all omissions >should be indicated with marks. Juliet and I will have to talk about this one. Do any of you have feelings one way or another on this? >4) >4D8 - close bracket? (example is taken from CCM, where there is no closed >brackets, but I don't really understand why. We close [s.n.]): >260 $a[Dublin, Ireland :$bPrinted by Walter Cox, We do no use the closing bracket when the field is incomplete. The only time I could see using a bracket after "s.n." is when we do have the first year of publication and it is not bracketed: [S.l. :$bs.n.],$c1750- . This also follows the DCRB and DCRM(S) rule that states that when adjacent elements are in one area, enclose them in one set of brackets, but when they are in different areas, enclose each element in a separate set of brackets. By not having a bracket at the end of "s.n.", we don't have to remove them when we complete the record and have dates in the 260 that are bracketed (:$bs.n.,$c1750-1751].) I think the CONSER rule does make sense and it really doesn't conflict with a DCRB rule. For DCRB, we are dealing with one volume usually. The date is either on the title page or not. We would never just leave the 260 field blank after $b. Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger| Sterling Memorial Library Yale University | New Haven CT 06520 (203)432-8383 (voice) | (203)432-7231 (fax) | jane.gillis@ yale.edu From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Fri May 24 21:08:03 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:08:03 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] DCRM(S) Area 5 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020524153158.02c89cd0@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> Please look at the physical description area, Area 5, of DCRM(S): http://www.library.yale.edu/conser/documents/dcrs.html These rules are similar to DCRB and AACR2. Jane and Juliet ---------------------------------------------------------------- Juliet McLaren Project Head, Early Serials English Short-Title Catalogue Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research University of California - Riverside e-mail: juliet@citrus.ucr.edu FAX: (909) 787-4120 Tel: (909) 787-5841 Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger| Sterling Memorial Library Yale University | New Haven CT 06520 (203)432-8383 (voice) | (203)432-7231 (fax) | jane.gillis@yale.edu From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Fri May 31 15:35:00 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:35:00 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] DCRM(S) Area 7 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020531103102.028cd328@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> Please take a look at DCRM(S) Area 7, Notes. Comments welcome. This is a relatively long section . Jane and Juliet ---------------------------------------------------------------- Juliet McLaren Project Head, Early Serials English Short-Title Catalogue Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research University of California - Riverside e-mail: juliet@citrus.ucr.edu FAX: (909) 787-4120 Tel: (909) 787-5841 Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger| Sterling Memorial Library Yale University | New Haven CT 06520 (203)432-8383 (voice) | (203)432-7231 (fax) | jane.gillis@yale.edu From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Fri May 31 15:39:28 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:39:28 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] DCRM(S) Appendix Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020531103528.028cf450@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> Please take a look at the appendix. This includes major and minor changes in title (we have followed revised chapter 12 for this); reprints of serials (where we differ from AACR2 and revised chapter 12); individual issues of serials (basically from DCRB); and the Glossary. Are there any other words or phrases that you would like defined? Are there any definitions that need revising? Jane and Juliet ---------------------------------------------------------------- Juliet McLaren Project Head, Early Serials English Short-Title Catalogue Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research University of California - Riverside e-mail: juliet@citrus.ucr.edu FAX: (909) 787-4120 Tel: (909) 787-5841 Jane Gillis | Rare Book Cataloger| Sterling Memorial Library Yale University | New Haven CT 06520 (203)432-8383 (voice) | (203)432-7231 (fax) | jane.gillis@yale.edu From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Fri May 31 15:43:34 2002 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Jane Gillis) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:43:34 -0400 Subject: [DCRB-L] DCRM(S) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020531103939.028cd848@jgillis.mail.yale.edu> I will be making changes to DCRM(S) before I leave for RBMS and ALA. I need any comments by Thursday of next week. My last day here is Friday, June 7. The URL is: http://www.library.yale.edu/conser/documents/reviseddcrs.html Before I leave I will make a list of all the questions that are still outstanding and send to the list. This will be the basis of the discussion at the Bibliographic Standards Committee meeting at ALA. Jane Gillis Rare Book Team 2-8383