From dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Thu Mar 18 02:19:01 2004 From: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu (Deborah J. Leslie) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:19:01 -0500 Subject: [DCRB-L] Beta version; counting firms Message-ID: <88539F4A9A5C3041B06A234AA2ABDB5801EDEE35@portia.folger.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C40C8F.60DE79EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:51:20 -0700 (MST) From: Laurence Creider To: dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu Subject: Comments on beta version (fwd) I think that the editorial committee has performed its work excellently; my comments are all fairly minor ones and follow. =20 Larry Creider DCRM(B) Beta comments <...>=20 4C6. "Include the number of omitted publishers (or firms) and the number of omitted places (if more than one) in the supplied phrase." When are partnerships firms? Or more precisely when is a partnership created merely for one particular project and when is it more enduring? Do we care? I am worried about how to count some of the early 18th century English bookseller combines for specific editions or titles. [DJL]=20 I think a good rule of thumb is how the names are presented in the imprint. Although a few partnerships were enduring (such as Hitch & Hawes), most were fluid. We don't need to worry about whether a partnership is enduring to count it as a firm in the imprint. Here are some typical 18c English examples: London : Printed for Allen and West; J. Mundell and Company, Edinburgh; and J. & A. Duncan, Glasgow. =20 There are 3 firms in preceding imprint. =20 London : printed for T. Longman, B. Law, C. Dilly, G.G. and J. Robinsons, R. Baldwin, W. Richardson, W. Otridge and Son, J. Mathews, W. Goldsmith, S. Hayes, J. Scatcherd, W. Bent, and Vernor and Hood, 1795. =20 There are 13 firms in preceding imprint. =20 London : Printed for T. Longman, B. Law, G. G. J. & J. Robinson, T. Pote, R. Baldwin, F. & C. Rivington, and W. Goldsmith, 1792. Likewise, there are 7 firms in preceding imprint.=20 =20 These examples are not surprisingly all from the 1790's, when one sees a noticeable increase in the number of firm firms, so to speak. In earlier imprints, even temporary partnerships were typically listed as separate names. The thing is not to confuse the issue of how to establish the heading with how to count when cataloging a single work. I never remember having a problem with this, even though I had to do a lot of it when working with the ESTC when it was still the 18th-century short title catalogue. I think a well-chosen example in the rules ought to do the trick. Deborah J. Leslie Folger Library djleslie@folger.edu ------_=_NextPart_001_01C40C8F.60DE79EC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [DCRB-L] Beta version; counting firms

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:51:20 -0700 = (MST)

From: Laurence Creider = <lcreider@lib.NMSU.Edu>

To: = dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu

Subject: Comments on beta version = (fwd)

I = think that the editorial committee has performed its work = excellently;

my = comments are all fairly minor ones and follow. 

        Larry Creider

DCRM(B) Beta comments

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4C6.  "Include the number of omitted = publishers (or firms) and the

number  of omitted places (if more than one) in the supplied = phrase."  When are

partnerships firms?  Or more precisely when is a = partnership created

merely for one particular project and when is it more = enduring?  Do we

care?  I am worried about how to count some of the = early 18th century

English bookseller combines for specific editions or = titles.

[DJL]

 I think a good rule = of thumb is how the names are presented in the = imprint. = Although a few partnerships were = enduring (such as Hitch & Hawes), most were fluid. We don't need to = worry about whether a partnership is enduring to count it as a firm in = the imprint. Here are some typical 18c English = examples:

 

 There are 3 firms in preceding imprint.

 

 

There are 13 firms in preceding = imprint.

 

Likewise, there are 7 firms in preceding imprint. =

 

These examples are not surprisingly all from the 1790's, when one sees a = noticeable increase in the number of firm firms, so to = speak. = In earlier imprints, = even temporary partnerships were typically listed as separate names. The = thing is not to confuse the issue of how to establish the heading with = how to count when = cataloging a single work. I never remember having a problem with this, = even though I had to do a lot of it when working with the ESTC when it = was still the 18th-century short title catalogue. I think = a well-chosen example in the = rules ought to do the trick.

Deborah J. Leslie

Folger Library

djleslie@folger.edu

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