NEED RESPONSE - Topic 6: Glossary: "FIGURE"

[Jane Gillis]

Before I vote, I have a couple of questions:

Does 'figure' appear in AMREMM?  
Is there to be a separate AMREMM Glossary?  
Will the Glossary for DCRM  include all definitions from the separate parts
of DCRM (books, serials, manuscripts, music, etc.)?

If figure is not anywhere in DCRM, I would vote not to include it.

At 02:58 PM 11/3/99 +0000, Sider, Sandra wrote:
>Could everyone please take a moment to vote "YES" or "NO" about whether
>"Figure" should be included in the DCRB Glossary?
>
>Also, here is how I see it:
>While a figure IS (usually) an illustration, a plate CONTAINS illustrative
>material--whether a numbered figure or not. Yes?  
>
>Thanks, Sandra  
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Manon Theroux [SMTP:manon.theroux@yale.edu]
>> Sent:	Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:36 PM
>> To:	dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu
>> Subject:	Topic 6: Glossary: "FIGURE"
>> 
>> First, what is the rationale for adding the term in the first place?  Will
>> it appear in the DCRM rules?  If not, why do we need it in the glossary?
>> 
>> As for the definition itself, it seems natural to first consult existing
>> glossaries.  Glaister's Encyclopedia of the Book (2nd ed.) has a
>> definition
>> that closely resembles Sandra's earlier version:
>>  
>> "figure:  1. an illustration on a page of text with which it is printed
>> from a forme imposed together with type. Cf. plate.  2. see numerals."
>> 
>> I find no definition in either Carter's ABC for Book Collectors (7th ed.)
>> or Peters's The Bookman's Glossary (5th ed.) .
>> 
>> Is there an authoritative source that backs up the revised definition
>> suggested below?  If plates can also contain figures, then how does a
>> figure differ from an illustration?  And how does the numbering fit in?
>> 
>> --Manon
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> >From: "Sider, Sandra" <Sandra.Sider@sothebys.com>
>> >To: "'dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu'" <dcrb-l@lib.byu.edu>
>> >Subject: I must be stupid today--Elizabeth is correct re. "FIGURE"
>> >Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:21:05 +0100
>> >
>> >Everyone should ignore my previous post re. "figure."  I have edited the
>> >entry for "Figure" below, q.v.
>> >
>> >Any further comments?
>> >
>> 
>> >> Figure.  [N.B.: new term.]  An illustration printed on a page of text,
>> >> or printed on a page which is an integral part of a gathering.  Plates
>> can
>> >> also contain numbered figures. See also Plate.
>> >> 
>> >> Plate.  A primarily illustrative leaf that is (usually) not an integral
>> >> part of a gathering.  Tables, scores, and similar material printed on
>> leaves
>> >> that are not an integral part of a gathering are also treated as
>> plates.
>>  See
>> >> also Figure.
>
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Jane M. Gillis 
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