[DCRM-L] Subject: Inferred [par.] in signature statement -- double square brackets or no?

[Noah Sheola]

I understand the appeal of differentiating between the two styles of ¶
(also called the pilcrow), but, if I may offer a contrary view, does this
not run afoul of the general guidance to not distinguish between typefaces,
for instance italic, blackletter, small capitals, etc.?

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 9:49 AM Jennifer Dunlap via DCRM-L <
dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu> wrote:

> Thank you Stefan and Deborah for weighing in. I like the idea of
> differentiating the style of the two pars. within the square brackets and
> using pi for the first gathering renders the need for a note moot. I wonder
> if it might be worth adding some best practices/examples to DCRM(R) for
> situations where a clear distinction is made in the signing by deliberate
> use of a different type. Thanks again for the assist!
>
> Best,
> Jennifer
>
>
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> Jennifer Dunlap
> Rare Materials Cataloguer
> John Carter Brown Library
> Providence, Rhode Island
> jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 5:54 PM Deborah J. Leslie via DCRM-L <
> dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I like Stefan's suggestion, with one quibble—the fact that there's an pi4 in
>> the signature statement means that there's an initial unsigned gathering of
>> four leaves, making the explanation redundant.
>>
>>
>> ______________________
>>
>> Deborah J Leslie , M.A., M.L.S. | Senior Cataloger | Folger Shakespeare
>> Library | djleslie at folger.edu | Opinions her own
>>
>>
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>> *From:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> on behalf of Duhr, Stefan
>> via DCRM-L <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2025 03:20
>> *To:* DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu>
>> *Cc:* Duhr, Stefan <Stefan.Duhr at sbb.spk-berlin.de>;
>> jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu <jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [DCRM-L] [EXT] Subject: Inferred [par.] in signature
>> statement -- double square brackets or no?
>>
>>
>> Hello Jennifer,
>>
>>
>>
>> As a newcomer to this list and from my own experience with this topic (
>> https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/x/HYD_Cw), I would make a distinction in the
>> designation between the second and third gathering and label the first
>> gathering as unsigned.
>>
>>
>>
>> The formula would look like this:
>>
>> pi⁴ 2[par. curled]⁴ 2[par. straight]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
>>
>>
>>
>> So far, I have only treated this case hypothetically (
>> https://verbundwiki.gbv.de/download/attachments/201228317/Lagensignaturen_Vertiefung.pdf).
>> Do you have exact title details, or a link to an existing digital copy?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stefan
>>
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>> *Von:* DCRM-L <dcrm-l-bounces at lib.byu.edu> *Im Auftrag von *Jennifer
>> Dunlap via DCRM-L
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 25. Februar 2025 18:09
>> *An:* dcrm-l at lib.byu.edu
>> *Cc:* Jennifer Dunlap <jrdunlap7 at gmail.com>; jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu
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>> statement -- double square brackets or no?
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>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping the collective wisdom of the list can point me in the right
>> direction of how best to render the signatures for the preliminary
>> gatherings of the item I'm cataloging. The first gathering is unsigned;
>> gathering 2 signed  ❡ ❡ (paragraph mark with curled tail) and gathering
>> 3, with ¶ ¶ (paragraph mark with straight tail). I'm inclined to render
>> the inferred par. as [[par.]], with a note that it is unsigned for clarity,
>> and the third gathering as ²2[par.]:
>>
>>
>>
>> Signatures: [[par.]]⁴ 2[par.]⁴ ²2[par.]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alternatively, I could simply omit the second set of brackets and retain
>> the unsigned note.
>>
>>
>>
>> Signatures: [par.]⁴ 2[par.]⁴ ²2[par.]⁴ A-2I⁴; first gathering unsigned.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since the type used for the [par.] signs for the second and third
>> gathering are different I don't feel comfortable rendering the third
>> gathering as 3[par.] with a missigned note. How have others dealt with
>> similar situations?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jennifer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jennifer Dunlap
>>
>> Rare Materials Cataloguer
>>
>> John Carter Brown Library
>>
>> Providence, Rhode Island
>>
>> jennifer_dunlap at brown.edu
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Noah Sheola
Senior Special Collections Metadata Librarian
John J. Burns Library
Boston College
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